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  • mzimmersM mzimmers

    @kshegunov said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

    I don't follow. UDP has no notion of "opened" or "closed" the socket either is bound, or not and there it stops. There's no requirement (or even a definition) of a connection, so opened or closed don't apply at all. You can write datagrams successfully even if there's no real connection between the devices.

    Bad choice of words on my part. The sockets are created and bound at app start-up, and never destroyed.

    My money is either on some ultra-obscure Windows setting, or some behind-the-scenes blocking done by the LAN hardware.

    The latter being exactly the working hypothesis in the sourced thread.

    I'm not connecting the dots -- where in that thread is there reference to the possibility of jinky LAN hardware?

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    @mzimmers said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

    Bad choice of words on my part. The sockets are created and bound at app start-up, and never destroyed.

    Fair enough.

    I'm not connecting the dots -- where in that thread is there reference to the possibility of jinky LAN hardware?

    Not strictly hardware, but at the end where the suspect is an ARP cache refresh for which the OS's waiting and supposedly discards the pending datagrams instead of flushing them through the network. Now I don't know if that's at all connected to your case, but my point was you could try a simplified case to test if it may be ...

    Another thing that comes to mind, do you capture the errors signal?

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    • kshegunovK kshegunov

      @mzimmers said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

      Bad choice of words on my part. The sockets are created and bound at app start-up, and never destroyed.

      Fair enough.

      I'm not connecting the dots -- where in that thread is there reference to the possibility of jinky LAN hardware?

      Not strictly hardware, but at the end where the suspect is an ARP cache refresh for which the OS's waiting and supposedly discards the pending datagrams instead of flushing them through the network. Now I don't know if that's at all connected to your case, but my point was you could try a simplified case to test if it may be ...

      Another thing that comes to mind, do you capture the errors signal?

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      Another thing that comes to mind, do you capture the errors signal?

      Yes...no hits. And I check the return value of the send() in the debugger; all looks good. The app definitely thinks it's sending those broadcasts.

      Regarding the other thread, if I understand, that poster is (at the end) sending one message, then going into a short delay, then sending a ton of stuff all at once. He's attributing the delay to what's causing his program to work properly.

      But in my instance, I'm only sending one message every 3 seconds (or far less frequently when using the debugger), and I never see any output in Wireshark. So I'm still not sure what the takeaway is.

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        Hi,

        Did you try to inspect your network activity with a tool like wireshark ?

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        • mzimmersM mzimmers

          Another thing that comes to mind, do you capture the errors signal?

          Yes...no hits. And I check the return value of the send() in the debugger; all looks good. The app definitely thinks it's sending those broadcasts.

          Regarding the other thread, if I understand, that poster is (at the end) sending one message, then going into a short delay, then sending a ton of stuff all at once. He's attributing the delay to what's causing his program to work properly.

          But in my instance, I'm only sending one message every 3 seconds (or far less frequently when using the debugger), and I never see any output in Wireshark. So I'm still not sure what the takeaway is.

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          @mzimmers said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

          But in my instance, I'm only sending one message every 3 seconds (or far less frequently when using the debugger), and I never see any output in Wireshark. So I'm still not sure what the takeaway is.

          Something else you could try is to drop the shared flag and the multicast at least for time being and try an ordinary p2p datagram. Other than that nothing else comes to mind.

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            Hey!

            You are adding all known addresses to m_socks but I do not see you add it to your packets/sender anywhere?
            Also I cannot find any declaration for the addr m_addrBroadcast?

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              qha = addr->ip(); only declares one ip? when what you might need to do is iterate over the socket list?

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              • SGaistS SGaist

                Hi,

                Did you try to inspect your network activity with a tool like wireshark ?

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                @SGaist yes, all of us did. That's the basis for my reported results.

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                • M MEMekaniske

                  Hey!

                  You are adding all known addresses to m_socks but I do not see you add it to your packets/sender anywhere?
                  Also I cannot find any declaration for the addr m_addrBroadcast?

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                  @MEMekaniske said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

                  Hey!

                  You are adding all known addresses to m_socks but I do not see you add it to your packets/sender anywhere?

                  Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

                  I didn't realize I had to do that. The corrected code is:

                  for (it = m_socks.begin(); it != m_socks.end(); ++it)
                  {
                  	m_datagramOut.setData(msg);
                  	m_datagramOut.setSender(it->addr.ip());
                  	m_datagramOut.setDestination(m_addrBroadcast, VOIP_BROADCAST_PORT);
                  	rc = it->sockBroadcast->writeDatagram(m_datagramOut);
                  

                  and it works! (at least on my system)

                  I can't even hazard a guess as to why the app worked without this added line on some systems.

                  But...thanks a ton, MEMekaniske.

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                  • mzimmersM mzimmers

                    @MEMekaniske said in any Windows networking mavens out there?:

                    Hey!

                    You are adding all known addresses to m_socks but I do not see you add it to your packets/sender anywhere?

                    Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

                    I didn't realize I had to do that. The corrected code is:

                    for (it = m_socks.begin(); it != m_socks.end(); ++it)
                    {
                    	m_datagramOut.setData(msg);
                    	m_datagramOut.setSender(it->addr.ip());
                    	m_datagramOut.setDestination(m_addrBroadcast, VOIP_BROADCAST_PORT);
                    	rc = it->sockBroadcast->writeDatagram(m_datagramOut);
                    

                    and it works! (at least on my system)

                    I can't even hazard a guess as to why the app worked without this added line on some systems.

                    But...thanks a ton, MEMekaniske.

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                    @mzimmers

                    Hey, glad it sends out to everyone now :)
                    As I could not see the m_addrBroadcast declaration anywhere it's hard to say why it was not using the broadcast addr.

                    Anyways, if this works fine, no need to use more time on it I guess :)

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                    • M MEMekaniske

                      @mzimmers

                      Hey, glad it sends out to everyone now :)
                      As I could not see the m_addrBroadcast declaration anywhere it's hard to say why it was not using the broadcast addr.

                      Anyways, if this works fine, no need to use more time on it I guess :)

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                      @MEMekaniske yes indeed. Here's the assignment you asked about:

                          m_addrBroadcast.setAddress(QHostAddress::Broadcast);
                      

                      This is done in the c'tor of the class.

                      Thanks again.

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                      • mzimmersM mzimmers

                        @MEMekaniske yes indeed. Here's the assignment you asked about:

                            m_addrBroadcast.setAddress(QHostAddress::Broadcast);
                        

                        This is done in the c'tor of the class.

                        Thanks again.

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                        @mzimmers

                        Hey, following that call I get the wrong broadcast addr for my network.
                        Cannot seem to get Qt to deliver the broadcast addr at all, it just returns the netmask with the last bits flipped and not the gateway

                        When calculating the broadcast addr myself then I get the correct one and it works fine.
                        Maybe you should set up a script yourself to calculate the broadcast addr for the system and let qt do other things :p

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                        • M MEMekaniske

                          @mzimmers

                          Hey, following that call I get the wrong broadcast addr for my network.
                          Cannot seem to get Qt to deliver the broadcast addr at all, it just returns the netmask with the last bits flipped and not the gateway

                          When calculating the broadcast addr myself then I get the correct one and it works fine.
                          Maybe you should set up a script yourself to calculate the broadcast addr for the system and let qt do other things :p

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                          @MEMekaniske that's strange -- my datagrams are all fine, and according to Wireshark have all the correct addresses. What OS are you running?

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                          • mzimmersM mzimmers

                            @MEMekaniske that's strange -- my datagrams are all fine, and according to Wireshark have all the correct addresses. What OS are you running?

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                            @mzimmers If i iterate over the interfaces like in your script, then it works with no problem :)
                            Running on windows :)

                            When using only the QHostAddress::Broadcast I get the wrong broadcast addr. I too think it is strange, but this is no issue for me, as it's always simple to determine the right address by code or manually :) just strange as you say :)

                            Anways, off to new issues :D

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