Why isn't qt so popular

QtCoder87 · J jsulm 30 Jun 2020, 05:14

@jsulm
if you start from Scratch? I mean Just PC and money for food and Rent. and maybe some state money. If I lost job and started a company I probably would not be able to pay 500 Bugs. Not because I would not have 500 USD I needed some savings, since state unemployed insurance is not that high. It depends of course how fast my company grow in the next months. But I am rather careful about future forecasts.

jimsmiths · 30 Oct 2020, 07:25

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jsulm · 30 Oct 2020, 13:13

@jimsmiths said in Why isn't qt so popular:

Qt is not a C++ library

It is even if it requires moc as additional build step.

fcarney · J jsulm 30 Oct 2020, 07:25

@jsulm said in Why isn't qt so popular:

Qt is not a C++ library

Lol, the passion of people. Next thing they will say is HTML is not a machine learning language...

Thank You · 24 May 2021, 06:38

@jsulm No sir, It may not be big amount for you or in your country. But in other countires
it is more than 50k which is soo expensive for begineers to start with. You may think salary may be high but it's 1/3 times less than that monthly.Although I don't work. I am sure it is one of the bigger reason that people don't use it. Instead other frameworks are free of cost. I consider as biggest reason of its low popularity.
If QT will be free, I am sure the no. of developers will increase hugely

JonB · 24 May 2021, 07:25

@Thank-You
As discussed, the small business commercial offering does not cost "50k". $500 is not $50k.

In any case, the community edition is free, so why not use that? Why do you need the commercial edition?

Thank You · 24 May 2021, 07:42

@JonB said in Why isn't qt so popular:
Nope bro, In other countries it is equivalent to 50K of that country 😂😂 Not dollars
Can we use community edition for small companies to earn some money??

JonB · wrote on 24 May 2021, 07:42

@Thank-You said in Why isn't qt so popular:

Nope bro, In other countries it is equivalent to 50K of that country 😂😂 Not dollars

Then say so in your response! I had no idea that your "50k" meant in some unnamed currency, and without knowing the currency it could be the equivalent of $1 for all we know! :) [I remember when there used to be 1,500 Italian Lira to the £, so 50k Lira was like 40$ !]

Can we use community edition for small companies to earn some money??

Yes, of course, 100%. You simply have to abide by the LGPL for the majority of Qt, or the GPL of a couple of optional packages if you use them. But you certainly can earn money from the community edition, without paying a fee or royalties. The commercial version is essentially there if you want to hide your source code, that's all.

mzimmers · 24 May 2021, 15:22

@JonB in the interest of full accuracy, there are features not available in Community, right? As well as certain versions (I notice my maintenance tool doesn't make 5.14.2 available to me)?

JonB · wrote on 24 May 2021, 15:22

@mzimmers
Yes. I did italicize essentially. I think the poster I was replying to is going to be a "small" user, hence the summary. Other features, and the release support situation, are more likely (italicized again) to be of most interest to "larger" users.

macfanpl · 29 May 2021, 19:32

Why Qt is so unpopular? OK lets dicklate:

stupid, unclear $500/yr for licence; its counter-productive; when you own startup, and you see $500 tag, you simply go eksewhere; there are tons of raples that are cheaper/free with much greater functions set,
shit software like kde, gnome, fuckUI, moodle etc
known installer bugs like having to install SHITAS ( fuck you kde )

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sierdzio · 30 May 2021, 04:30

@macfanpl said in Why isn't qt so popular:

shit software like kde, gnome, fuckUI, moodle etc

3 out of 4 items on your list don't use Qt at all....

known installer bugs like having to install SHITAS ( fuck you kde )

There is no KDE stuff in Qt installer ;-)

Thank You · wrote on 30 May 2021, 04:30

@sierdzio But the first one is soooooo true

JonB · 21 Jun 2021, 10:27

@macfanpl said in Why isn't qt so popular:

there are tons of raples that are cheaper/free with much greater functions set,

What toolkits other than Qt do you recommend for C++ development with single source for Windows/Linux/MacOS (desktop)?

thierryhenry14 · 16 Jun 2021, 17:26

C++ was dead in the enterprise years ago. Most people writing new C++ projects these days are writing an OS/browser/game engine/stock trading system, which means it's a very niche language. (think what % these projects are, compared to all new software projects). Universities stopped using C++ in their classes at least a decade ago.

On top of that, the sort of 50yo+ people who still champion C++ in 2020 for general development, hate the readable, well-designed, object-oriented API of Qt, because it's not "pure" C++. They hate that moc adds features to the C++ language that make it more convenient to use, they hate that Qt made their own types even though they're far superior to stdlib's (eg QString vs std::string).

So Qt is a niche framework for a niche programming language.

Edit 1: and for your average mobile developer, the expensive license to be able to publish to iOS makes it a non-starter. Everyone else is fighting to give them free dev tools, but here comes Qt saying "pay us $500/month "or whatever it's at now.

VRonin · 16 Jun 2021, 17:59

@thierryhenry14 said in Why isn't qt so popular:

C++ was dead in the enterprise years ago.

LOL. Just LOL.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=java%2Cc%2Cc%2B%2B%2Cpython%2Cc%23%2Cvb.net%2Cjavascript%2Cassembly%2Cphp%2Cperl%2Cruby%2Cvb%2Cswift%2Cr%2Cobjective-c

Technologies come and go, C & C++ stay

JonB · 16 Jun 2021, 18:02

@VRonin said in Why isn't qt so popular:

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=java%2Cc%2Cc%2B%2B%2Cpython%2Cc%23%2Cvb.net%2Cjavascript%2Cassembly%2Cphp%2Cperl%2Cruby%2Cvb%2Cswift%2Cr%2Cobjective-c

The inexorable rise of Python...

mzimmers · J JonB 16 Jun 2021, 17:59

@JonB so Python is gaining in usage -- big deal; that just means there are more slow apps written these days...

VRonin · wrote on 16 Jun 2021, 18:23

Python to me is the new better java. It will last a while but VM-based languages never become "permanent"

sierdzio · 17 Jun 2021, 14:26

@thierryhenry14 said in Why isn't qt so popular:

[...] Most people writing new C++ projects these days are writing an OS/browser/game engine/stock trading system, [...]

10 years of commercial experience and I have never written any of the programs you mention. Nor do I know anybody who did.

Which proves nothing, of course, because we're just 2 blokes in an ocean of developers. I don't know what more proper statistics would show.

Universities stopped using C++ in their classes at least a decade ago.

Not everywhere. It's still surprisingly often taught around here, which is quite stupid.

On top of that, the sort of 50yo+ people who still champion C++ in 2020 for general development hate the readable, well-designed, object-oriented API of Qt, because it's not "pure" C++. They hate that moc adds features to the C++ language that make it more convenient to use, they hate that Qt made their own types even though they're far superior to stdlib's (eg QString vs std::string).

This Qt-hate is sadly true.

Edit 1: and for your average mobile developer, the expensive license to be able to publish to iOS makes it a non-starter. Everyone else is fighting to give them free dev tools, but here comes Qt saying "pay us $500/month "or whatever it's at now.

And this is true as well :-|