Rumor discussion: Nokia and Microsoft to team up on Windows Phone 7
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Also I have heard rumors on employees being laid off. When the Symbian Foundation was closed down there were 1000's of Symbian experts working for Symbian Foundation who were not taken back to Nokia.
Now everything seems to be clear, why this was done so. The current decision to go with WM7 seems to have been made long back.
I am afraid that QDN does not go the way Symbian Foundation went.
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I am not blaming Nokia but the way the communication was done,you can admit that it added a lot of confusion.
All Forum are expressing the same feeling , of anger because it s about passionate people for there favorite Brand,Nokia.From this article ,and what happend at Tampere last friday...
From what happend to Maemo and the result that we all know..
I think we are feeling less confident about what Nokia will say...
Remember 3 month ago what was saying Nokia about QT...
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I can understand all your frustration and anger. Everybody is more or less confused. We know that this announcement took you by surprise and that you feel betrayed and left in the dark.
But seriously, there is no decision that Qt will go away. And if you ask for my personal opinion, it's not going to be the case.
Let's just see how things really look like when the dust has settled a bit. It's weekend now, and at least here in Oslo, the sun is shining.
Time for some afternoon coffee. Nothing we can do right now.
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Oh, and maybe have a look at Quim's post over at the Maemo forum: http://bit.ly/hOiFic
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Hello fellow Qt devs, and thanks to Alexandra for the previous posts. I've dreamed last night of the next internal memo from S. Elop, i thought to reproduce it there to cheer you up a bit :-)
To: Qt team
From: Stephen ElopIn my last letter i've left you with a difficult choice: stay on the burning platform and die quickly and horribly, or jump into the frozen waters and die slowly and horribly - except for a very slim chance of rescue. I hope you've not lost too much sleep on that decision, because as you see i've already made it for you (i'm the boss, remember ?): you'll jump! If this predicament seems particularly cruel, think of the marketing, PR and sales team that will have to promote and sell 150 MILLIONS MORE symbian devices, ha ha!
Have a nice day,
Stephen.
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xsacha: I couldn't agree with you more. It depresses me how the media, and many people, moan about Nokia's falling market share, when as you point out, Nokia's sales are increasing, and the falling market share is a statistical quirk due to an enlarging market, with more people entering the market.
Consider, is it better to be 60% in a tiny market, or 30% in a massive market, with far more sales? Yet I bet when the Ipad's market share falls as more tablets come onto the market, we won't hear the media criticising Apple...
That said, who knows - I would hope that Nokia are aware of Symbian's success. I guess they think that WP is a better technology for future development, or perhaps they no longer want to spend the R&D on maintaining an OS themselves. I'm not saying it's a good thing - it is indeed very risky, but who knows.
The funny thing is that even if this move is a disaster for Nokia relative to their current success, they could still ship enough WP phones to massively increase its growth, perhaps still doing better than Apple. So despite a disaster, the headlines will be "Windows Phone now outsells the Iphone", which after hearing so many Iphone users loving to mock Windows Phone, I would find rather funny :)
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Developers are leaving Nokia because of this, Nokia will not have many fresh apps to offer their customers before the first wp7 devices. And when that happends, wp7 got a lot less apps than Nokia do today. So.. I don't see any reason that customers will want any new Nokia devices from this day on.
This is the start of the end of a very nice company that had a bright future.
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sleam, you don't see but I do. I'll certainly buy nokia phone with WP7 when it will emerge. My word against yours? Whose is the right one? We will see it soon.
And know what? I'm not alone in it. Many peoples like Nokia as well as Microsoft. And they will be glad to have a Nokia phone with MS OS on the board. -
No, I want to use WP7 as an user. And I want to use Qt as a developer. I like C++ and therefore it is a nonsense to not bother of Qt future as long as I see the C++ Desktop future with Qt only. But as I said I see no bad signs around. All will be fine, you will see that.
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Of course all will be fine for the desktop, Qt is LGPL'd and KDE has an agreement, the "KDE Free Qt Foundation":http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php, but I would really like to see Qt as a first citizen framework on mobile device.... But that's just me :)
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[quote]but I would really like to see Qt as a first citizen framework on mobile device[/quote]
Meego is not dead yet. Android has a community port and I believe we will see more efforts on it from the Nokia itself. Just don't make such a quick conclusion from this MS-Nokia deal. -
I hope we will hear good news next week....sure today Nokia had no smartphone killer and MS have only 4.2 % on the mobile market,compare to that,the android plateform and apple will not wait ...looking the growth of them , it s quite wirring.
In term of store both android and apple have so much applications than in the ovi Store.Apple decided to attack low price mobile...
In this market condition you need to get a killer phone ,a plateform and a clear vision (your idea, their tools) .We had a taste of it last friday.I cant see how the deal could give something good when the only hope MEEGO+QT brutally slow down.(see Mr Elop Memo on the burning plateform).
I really hope to hear Some Qt good news.
Regards
David
smartphone sales:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20031147-251.html -
[quote author="mdwh" date="1297533699"]That said, who knows - I would hope that Nokia are aware of Symbian's success. I guess they think that WP is a better technology for future development, or perhaps they no longer want to spend the R&D on maintaining an OS themselves. I'm not saying it's a good thing - it is indeed very risky, but who knows.[/quote]
Well of course the idea is that they will save R&D money by not developing software. However, of course, in this deal they must pay someone to use said software which may very likely cost more than if they did it in house (with R&D). Most of the reductions in R&D will actually come from increasing efficiency through lay-offs and focus (eg. Meego gets almost no R&D now).
Their plan is it will take two years to get the transition going to WP7. But, my question is how could they possibly think that it would take longer to fix Symbian/Meego (the former which lacks a UI and the latter which lacks nothing as it will run Android & iOS applications). Two years is a long time for Qt and Meego. It could be massive by then.
In two years, WP7 will still be using IE9 (it's IE7 now but IE9 isn't much better) with its bad HTML5 support and bad JS support. Again, Nokia will have the worst mobile browser on the planet. But this time, third party browsers are not allowed. Symbian/Meego had a webkit solution and a fennec-qt solution. It is very disappointing.
In two years, WP7 may finally get an update to solve copy and paste, multi-tasking, custom ringtones, bluetooth, tethering and wireless hotspots that we all take for granted today.[quote author="dguimard" date="1297545382"]MS have only 4.2 % on the mobile market
smartphone sales:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20031147-251.html[/quote]
I'm afraid it is worse than that. Most of that 4.2% includes Windows Mobile sales. 2 million out of 100 million is 2%. Windows Mobile 6.5 actually outsold Windows Phone 7.
I can pretty much guarantee that most those WM6.5 users would jump to Android as it is the most similar. WP7 is nothing like it. -
They are not likely to get rid of the Qt. Here is "blog":http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/12/nokia-new-strategic-direction-what-is-the-future-for-qt/ by one of the Sales manager
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[quote author="Immii" date="1297574521"]They are not likely to get rid of the Qt.[/quote]
Well they aren't going to be using Qt in any of their products and they are trying to cut down on redundant spending. It doesn't make sense they'd invest much in to a toolkit that they don't use.
I think we can expect planned 4.9/4.10/5.0 to be canned in favour of bug fixes to the current versions.Best possible future: http://www.msqt.org/qdeclarativeexamples.html ?
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Hello
Nice idea of course this msqt, if it was a real Nokia site we will not see google advertising on the side i think...
Does the feeling of developer(upset) will translate to the public ???
I am not sure, but I think what the investors see now is LACK OF DIRECTION AND VISION within Nokia. I do not believe that MS and Nokia can bring a NEW product, which would win on the market within next 6 months. UI of MS phone is ugly and would have to be totally redone if they want to compete with Apple. Nokia can provide hardware for various OS, no problem (Intel does it and no one has a problem with it), changing direction for a mere 3% of the market in smartphones ( mostly in US) and letting QT slide like this in silence is a mistake.
What would be an interesting question is - how much resources and support Nokia really dedicated to QT?