Rumor discussion: Nokia and Microsoft to team up on Windows Phone 7
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@ ixSci ...
When you read that http://news.techworld.com/applications/3245323/nokia-backs-qt-framework-for-symbian-and-meego-development/
and Two month latter, that Nokia phone developement is Now WP7 only WITHOUT Qt... sorry ... We are not crying ... -
Noone is crying but the fact are talking.Meego was the strategic plateform and QT the language to use.
from qtnext :
http://getsatisfaction.com/nokia/topics/petition_to_nokia_reconsider_meego_as_strategic_platform
also :
According to Nokia President and CEO Stephen Elop, the Symbian and MeeGo operating systems will only disappear gradually from the Nokia handsets in favour of Windows Phone 7, which Nokia is to adopt "as its choice smartphone platform".not clear enough?
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I have an idee ... Nokia should add .DotNet documentation in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/ so we will start .dotNet smoothly ;(
it's not possible that Nokia play this Game ... using Qt developer to help transition to WP7, ... and trash it ...
NOKIA YOU LIE TOO MUCH ... It's Over -
mm, proof-link about "MeeGo operating systems will only disappear gradually from the Nokia handsets in favour of Windows Phone 7"?
If you just read the facts you will see the at the moment the only one even happened: Meego has been declined for smart-phones for some period(maybe forever). But there was nothing said about tablets\pads\portable PC and other devices. Maybe we should be a little more patient and wait for tendencies in Qt development?
Moreover, Nokia can bring smart-phones with Meego on the market later when Meego will be fully ready. I don't think it is the right time to judge about Qt future, that is my opinion. -
dguimard, sorry but is is not a proof-link. It is not citation of Elop but it is conclusion of the article writer. And nothing more. Moreover, how can MeeGo gradually disappear from headsets when there is no devices with that platform? Mystery. :)
It is an easy way to blame Nokia in all men crimes and demand divorce but maybe we should stream our energy in Qt development instead? Qt will be here and Nokia will be here. A few thousand offended developers will change nothing. -
Also I have heard rumors on employees being laid off. When the Symbian Foundation was closed down there were 1000's of Symbian experts working for Symbian Foundation who were not taken back to Nokia.
Now everything seems to be clear, why this was done so. The current decision to go with WM7 seems to have been made long back.
I am afraid that QDN does not go the way Symbian Foundation went.
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I am not blaming Nokia but the way the communication was done,you can admit that it added a lot of confusion.
All Forum are expressing the same feeling , of anger because it s about passionate people for there favorite Brand,Nokia.From this article ,and what happend at Tampere last friday...
From what happend to Maemo and the result that we all know..
I think we are feeling less confident about what Nokia will say...
Remember 3 month ago what was saying Nokia about QT...
1 phone running Meego this year will probably make us happy :) -
I can understand all your frustration and anger. Everybody is more or less confused. We know that this announcement took you by surprise and that you feel betrayed and left in the dark.
But seriously, there is no decision that Qt will go away. And if you ask for my personal opinion, it's not going to be the case.
Let's just see how things really look like when the dust has settled a bit. It's weekend now, and at least here in Oslo, the sun is shining.
Time for some afternoon coffee. Nothing we can do right now.
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Oh, and maybe have a look at Quim's post over at the Maemo forum: http://bit.ly/hOiFic
I hope that helps you understand what we're up to at the moment. -
Hello fellow Qt devs, and thanks to Alexandra for the previous posts. I've dreamed last night of the next internal memo from S. Elop, i thought to reproduce it there to cheer you up a bit :-)
To: Qt team
From: Stephen ElopIn my last letter i've left you with a difficult choice: stay on the burning platform and die quickly and horribly, or jump into the frozen waters and die slowly and horribly - except for a very slim chance of rescue. I hope you've not lost too much sleep on that decision, because as you see i've already made it for you (i'm the boss, remember ?): you'll jump! If this predicament seems particularly cruel, think of the marketing, PR and sales team that will have to promote and sell 150 MILLIONS MORE symbian devices, ha ha!
Have a nice day,
Stephen.
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xsacha: I couldn't agree with you more. It depresses me how the media, and many people, moan about Nokia's falling market share, when as you point out, Nokia's sales are increasing, and the falling market share is a statistical quirk due to an enlarging market, with more people entering the market.
Consider, is it better to be 60% in a tiny market, or 30% in a massive market, with far more sales? Yet I bet when the Ipad's market share falls as more tablets come onto the market, we won't hear the media criticising Apple...
That said, who knows - I would hope that Nokia are aware of Symbian's success. I guess they think that WP is a better technology for future development, or perhaps they no longer want to spend the R&D on maintaining an OS themselves. I'm not saying it's a good thing - it is indeed very risky, but who knows.
The funny thing is that even if this move is a disaster for Nokia relative to their current success, they could still ship enough WP phones to massively increase its growth, perhaps still doing better than Apple. So despite a disaster, the headlines will be "Windows Phone now outsells the Iphone", which after hearing so many Iphone users loving to mock Windows Phone, I would find rather funny :)
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Developers are leaving Nokia because of this, Nokia will not have many fresh apps to offer their customers before the first wp7 devices. And when that happends, wp7 got a lot less apps than Nokia do today. So.. I don't see any reason that customers will want any new Nokia devices from this day on.
This is the start of the end of a very nice company that had a bright future.
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sleam, you don't see but I do. I'll certainly buy nokia phone with WP7 when it will emerge. My word against yours? Whose is the right one? We will see it soon.
And know what? I'm not alone in it. Many peoples like Nokia as well as Microsoft. And they will be glad to have a Nokia phone with MS OS on the board. -
No, I want to use WP7 as an user. And I want to use Qt as a developer. I like C++ and therefore it is a nonsense to not bother of Qt future as long as I see the C++ Desktop future with Qt only. But as I said I see no bad signs around. All will be fine, you will see that.
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Of course all will be fine for the desktop, Qt is LGPL'd and KDE has an agreement, the "KDE Free Qt Foundation":http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php, but I would really like to see Qt as a first citizen framework on mobile device.... But that's just me :)
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[quote]but I would really like to see Qt as a first citizen framework on mobile device[/quote]
Meego is not dead yet. Android has a community port and I believe we will see more efforts on it from the Nokia itself. Just don't make such a quick conclusion from this MS-Nokia deal.