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  • Joel BodenmannJ Offline
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    Joel Bodenmann
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    The fact that container indexes start at zero is a language feature (I might be wrong?). Anyway, fact is that you can't just change it.
    What you can do is subclassing the container class and overloading the operator[] to add an offset. Note: That is a possible solution and not a recommendation.

    But as @Wieland already asked... Why would you want to do this?

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    • Joel BodenmannJ Joel Bodenmann

      The fact that container indexes start at zero is a language feature (I might be wrong?). Anyway, fact is that you can't just change it.
      What you can do is subclassing the container class and overloading the operator[] to add an offset. Note: That is a possible solution and not a recommendation.

      But as @Wieland already asked... Why would you want to do this?

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      Walux
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      @Joel-Bodenmann

      Thanks for your support , it's probably not the smoothest idea , but it's good enough .

      Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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        @Walux Why would you want to do this?

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        Walux
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        @Wieland

        Well , all i can say is that in my program i used a lot of QLists that are better off starting with 1 as an index , it would really make the work - and especially the code - more comfortable and readable .

        Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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        • SGaistS Offline
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          SGaist
          Lifetime Qt Champion
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          Hi,

          That's a pretty wrong idea. Your code is going to be understandable only by you and hard to debug for other people.

          All list/vector like containers are indexed at 0. You seem to try to work-around something else. What is it that makes your list related code "better off starting at 1" ?

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          • W Walux

            @Wieland

            Well , all i can say is that in my program i used a lot of QLists that are better off starting with 1 as an index , it would really make the work - and especially the code - more comfortable and readable .

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            kshegunov
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            @Walux

            are better off starting with 1 as an index

            This is what fortran does (and a few other obscure and useless languages) but it's arbitrary and completely artificial. An index in an array is the offset from the beginning of that array, so the first element has an offset of 0. There's no real, practical or good reason to think that arrays or lists should start from 1 just because people are used to counting that way; as I said such reasoning is arbitrary and is introduced completely artificially.

            Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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            • kshegunovK kshegunov

              @Walux

              are better off starting with 1 as an index

              This is what fortran does (and a few other obscure and useless languages) but it's arbitrary and completely artificial. An index in an array is the offset from the beginning of that array, so the first element has an offset of 0. There's no real, practical or good reason to think that arrays or lists should start from 1 just because people are used to counting that way; as I said such reasoning is arbitrary and is introduced completely artificially.

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              jsulm
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              @kshegunov Hey, I learned programming with Turbo Pascal (it's not obscure or useless for me :-)) where you can define whether first index is 0 or 1

              https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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              • jsulmJ jsulm

                @kshegunov Hey, I learned programming with Turbo Pascal (it's not obscure or useless for me :-)) where you can define whether first index is 0 or 1

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                kshegunov
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                @jsulm
                Actually my beef is with fortran, but you're right of course ... ;)
                Still, C uses the zero-based (offset based) indexing and changing that would go against the language itself (not only against Qt) ... so there's no good reason to do (or even want) it.

                Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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                • kshegunovK kshegunov

                  @jsulm
                  Actually my beef is with fortran, but you're right of course ... ;)
                  Still, C uses the zero-based (offset based) indexing and changing that would go against the language itself (not only against Qt) ... so there's no good reason to do (or even want) it.

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                  jsulm
                  Lifetime Qt Champion
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                  @kshegunov I agree with you: there is no need to redefine this behaviour.

                  https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                  • jsulmJ jsulm

                    @kshegunov I agree with you: there is no need to redefine this behaviour.

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                    The "rest" of this topic got split into a separate topic.
                    Enjoy.

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                      Walux
                      wrote on last edited by Walux
                      #12

                      Thanks you all for your contribution :)

                      I think i'm now convinced that the QList's index must start with 0 , even tho that was not the goal of this topic :b

                      To help make the image clear , i used plenty of variables that MUST start with 1 , and these variables are connected to a lot of arrays , what i do now is create NULL variables and store them in the beginning of the arrays i wish to use its items from "1" .

                      For example :

                      int index0 = 0
                      QList<int> myArray;
                      myArray << index0 << myInteger1 << ...
                      
                      

                      But , is it safe all the time ?

                      Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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                      • SGaistS Offline
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                        SGaist
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                        Again: why must they start with 1 ?

                        A side effect of your current implementation is that you are wasting memory.

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                        • SGaistS SGaist

                          Again: why must they start with 1 ?

                          A side effect of your current implementation is that you are wasting memory.

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                          Walux
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                          @SGaist

                          Hmmm , i guess that i should start accepting the way the arrays are built instead of making stubborn statements , thank you all for your advices .

                          I'll mark the topic as solved.

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                            Chris Kawa
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                            To add to all the excellent points - stuffing an artificial null element just to try to index from 1 will break as soon as you do e.g. myArray.clear() or try to iterate with myArray.begin(), use a range based for or tons of other code types. c++ is 0 based language. Don't swim against the tide.

                            Btw. calling a QList myArray is like calling a sausage chain a nunchaku ;) Although similar at first glance they are completely different things. You'll mislead readers of your code. Don't do that.

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                            • Chris KawaC Chris Kawa

                              To add to all the excellent points - stuffing an artificial null element just to try to index from 1 will break as soon as you do e.g. myArray.clear() or try to iterate with myArray.begin(), use a range based for or tons of other code types. c++ is 0 based language. Don't swim against the tide.

                              Btw. calling a QList myArray is like calling a sausage chain a nunchaku ;) Although similar at first glance they are completely different things. You'll mislead readers of your code. Don't do that.

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                              @Chris-Kawa

                              Got it ;)

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