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  • C CJha
    17 Nov 2020, 09:47

    @J-Hilk I am unable to find any examples to tell me how to get the header. The QDataStream class description only says just a little about serializing QVectors do you know any examples that I can follow so that I have an idea how to read my binary file?

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    wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 09:54 last edited by J.Hilk
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    @CJha you can take a look into the source code

    no idea what version you're using, but I found this

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    link


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      17 Nov 2020, 09:54

      @CJha you can take a look into the source code

      no idea what version you're using, but I found this

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      066e8007-1c4a-4394-aec7-7138631cfe9e-image.png

      link

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      wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 09:59 last edited by
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      @J-Hilk But this is internal and may change (although the chance is very very low)

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        wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:02 last edited by
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        @J-Hilk Thanks, I will go through the document and see if it can be helpful to me.
        @Christian-Ehrlicher @JonB The only other way is to iterate through a QVector<double>, and is a time-consuming process, especially with millions of data points, and that's why I am interested in doing it directly.

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          @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

          and is a time-consuming process, especially with millions of data points, and that's why I am interested in doing it directly.

          Did you look at the QDataStream implementation? It does exactly the same... so why should this be faster?

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          • C CJha
            17 Nov 2020, 09:52

            @Christian-Ehrlicher Hi, I cannot, I have to read it in Matlab.

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            wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:04 last edited by
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            @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

            I have to read it in Matlab.

            If I remeber correctly Matlab reads csv (aka text) so QTextStream is what you want. something like:

            QFile file("BinTest.bin");
            file.open(QIODevice::WriteOnly | QIODevice::Text);
            QTextStream out(&file);
            QVector<double> vec;
            for(int ii = 0; ii < 10; ++ii){
                vec << ii * 0.33;
            }
            for(auto&& val : vec)
            out << val << ',';
            file.close();
            

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            • C Christian Ehrlicher
              17 Nov 2020, 10:03

              @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

              and is a time-consuming process, especially with millions of data points, and that's why I am interested in doing it directly.

              Did you look at the QDataStream implementation? It does exactly the same... so why should this be faster?

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              wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:06 last edited by
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              @Christian-Ehrlicher I didn't know that before I saw the source code for QDataStream. I assumed since for a QVector data points are in adjacent memory positions pushing an entire vector into a binary file must be faster than iterating over it.

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              • C CJha
                17 Nov 2020, 10:02

                @J-Hilk Thanks, I will go through the document and see if it can be helpful to me.
                @Christian-Ehrlicher @JonB The only other way is to iterate through a QVector<double>, and is a time-consuming process, especially with millions of data points, and that's why I am interested in doing it directly.

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                wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:07 last edited by JonB
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                @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                The only other way is to iterate through a QVector<double>, and is a time-consuming process, especially with millions of data points

                Yep. That's what has to be done, and it's what the << serializer does, as @J-Hilk showed you. The only other way would be if you can get the address of contiguous QVector memory and save from there, which I'm guessing can be done. However...

                ...If @VRonin's latest post is correct and you're supposed to produce text instead to export then you cannot help but do it one-by-one....

                P.S.
                BTW, you'd have to test, but my guess is that code to output data points one-by-one instead of in a contiguous clump is not what would be slow over 1,000,000 points --- rather, the size of the output written to file will be what is significant....

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                  wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:08 last edited by
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                  You're correct with the adjacent memory but QVector can also hold objects so memcpy'ing it out will not work there. You can use memcpy if you want in your case but QDataStream is generic and has no optimizations for such things.

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                  • V VRonin
                    17 Nov 2020, 10:04

                    @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                    I have to read it in Matlab.

                    If I remeber correctly Matlab reads csv (aka text) so QTextStream is what you want. something like:

                    QFile file("BinTest.bin");
                    file.open(QIODevice::WriteOnly | QIODevice::Text);
                    QTextStream out(&file);
                    QVector<double> vec;
                    for(int ii = 0; ii < 10; ++ii){
                        vec << ii * 0.33;
                    }
                    for(auto&& val : vec)
                    out << val << ',';
                    file.close();
                    
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                    wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:10 last edited by
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                    @VRonin Yes, but writing a .csv file takes much longer than writing a binary file (almost 10 times more for large data sets). I have tried and tested it. I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours, and this file will be analysed in Matlab by researchers. If I write 1 million data points in a .csv file it takes around 4 seconds while doing the same in a binary file takes around 400 milliseconds.

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                    • C CJha
                      17 Nov 2020, 10:10

                      @VRonin Yes, but writing a .csv file takes much longer than writing a binary file (almost 10 times more for large data sets). I have tried and tested it. I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours, and this file will be analysed in Matlab by researchers. If I write 1 million data points in a .csv file it takes around 4 seconds while doing the same in a binary file takes around 400 milliseconds.

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                      JonB
                      wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:10 last edited by
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                      @CJha
                      OK, so STOP and tell us exactly what format MatLab will accept, and take it from there...

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                      • C CJha
                        17 Nov 2020, 10:10

                        @VRonin Yes, but writing a .csv file takes much longer than writing a binary file (almost 10 times more for large data sets). I have tried and tested it. I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours, and this file will be analysed in Matlab by researchers. If I write 1 million data points in a .csv file it takes around 4 seconds while doing the same in a binary file takes around 400 milliseconds.

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                        wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:11 last edited by
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                        @CJha But does Matlab support any binary format? You have to write in a format supported by Matlab.

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                        • C CJha
                          17 Nov 2020, 10:10

                          @VRonin Yes, but writing a .csv file takes much longer than writing a binary file (almost 10 times more for large data sets). I have tried and tested it. I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours, and this file will be analysed in Matlab by researchers. If I write 1 million data points in a .csv file it takes around 4 seconds while doing the same in a binary file takes around 400 milliseconds.

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                          wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:13 last edited by
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                          @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                          I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours

                          actually stop right here!

                          if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                          I'm sure there's an other - in memory - way to hand over those data points


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                            wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:14 last edited by
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                            @JonB @jsulm Matlab supports the binary format. There are functions such as fopen, fread, fseek etc. to read and write binary files. I have read binary file written using QDataStream in Matlab using fread and so on

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                            • C CJha
                              17 Nov 2020, 10:14

                              @JonB @jsulm Matlab supports the binary format. There are functions such as fopen, fread, fseek etc. to read and write binary files. I have read binary file written using QDataStream in Matlab using fread and so on

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                              wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:16 last edited by
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                              @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                              Matlab supports the binary format

                              Do you have its specification?

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                                17 Nov 2020, 10:13

                                @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                                I am gathering data at a much faster rate, up to 1 million doubles per second and I have to write it to a file continuously for hours

                                actually stop right here!

                                if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                                I'm sure there's an other - in memory - way to hand over those data points

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                                wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:18 last edited by
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                                @J-Hilk I am not sure what you mean by

                                if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                                Given that 1 million doubles are 8 million bytes, I think modern processors and disk drives can handle such speed easily.

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                                • C CJha
                                  17 Nov 2020, 10:18

                                  @J-Hilk I am not sure what you mean by

                                  if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                                  Given that 1 million doubles are 8 million bytes, I think modern processors and disk drives can handle such speed easily.

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                                  wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:21 last edited by JonB
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                                  @CJha
                                  You may (well) know more than I, but can MatLab read and process 8MB of new data per second, at the same time as something else is producing it? And, separately, do you really generate 1 million new data points per second?

                                  Also, as @J-Hilk said, wouldn't sending a pipe stream (e.g. a socket?) be better than writing to file and reading back? Does Matlab accept incoming data elsewhere than in a file?

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                                  • J jsulm
                                    17 Nov 2020, 10:16

                                    @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                                    Matlab supports the binary format

                                    Do you have its specification?

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                                    wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:23 last edited by
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                                    @jsulm It is highly compatible. Here are the links for fopen, fread, fseek. I all these I can specify the format, ByteOrder, size of data (such as int, double, etc), and quite a few other things.
                                    I don't think Matlab is the restrictive thing here, I can read any type of binary file in Matlab as long as I know how it is written.

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                                    • C CJha
                                      17 Nov 2020, 10:23

                                      @jsulm It is highly compatible. Here are the links for fopen, fread, fseek. I all these I can specify the format, ByteOrder, size of data (such as int, double, etc), and quite a few other things.
                                      I don't think Matlab is the restrictive thing here, I can read any type of binary file in Matlab as long as I know how it is written.

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                                      wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:26 last edited by JonB
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                                      @CJha
                                      The code to write a QVector to file in the way you want, as fast as possible in one blob not one-by-one, is given in e.g. https://www.qtcentre.org/threads/65713-Output-a-QVector-of-doubles-to-a-binary-file-(without-using-QDatastream)?p=289540#post289540 :

                                      qint64 bytesWritten = file.write(reinterpret_cast<const char*>(vec.constData()), sizeof(double) * vec.size());
                                      

                                      EDIT I think you will want reinterpret_cast<> rather than static_cast<> here as shown in that post, so I have altered the code line to use that.

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                                      • J JonB
                                        17 Nov 2020, 10:21

                                        @CJha
                                        You may (well) know more than I, but can MatLab read and process 8MB of new data per second, at the same time as something else is producing it? And, separately, do you really generate 1 million new data points per second?

                                        Also, as @J-Hilk said, wouldn't sending a pipe stream (e.g. a socket?) be better than writing to file and reading back? Does Matlab accept incoming data elsewhere than in a file?

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                                        wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:28 last edited by
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                                        @JonB No, Matlab is going to read it at a later time. When data is being generated it is just stored in a binary file for later use by Matlab. And yes, Matlab is slower but it doesn't matter if it takes 1 second or 1 day to read the file as the researchers can just start loading the file in the night and come back in the morning to work on it (many researchers wait for times like 24 to 36 hours for files to get processed).

                                        And yes, I am generating data at 1 million doubles per second. I am using National Instruments and Measurement Computing DAQ boards, controlling both through Qt and C++ and these boards are capable of generating 1 million doubles per second.

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                                        • C CJha
                                          17 Nov 2020, 10:18

                                          @J-Hilk I am not sure what you mean by

                                          if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                                          Given that 1 million doubles are 8 million bytes, I think modern processors and disk drives can handle such speed easily.

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                                          wrote on 17 Nov 2020, 10:29 last edited by J.Hilk
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                                          @CJha said in How to write entire QVector to a binary file?:

                                          @J-Hilk I am not sure what you mean by

                                          if this program is used more than once, you're going to destroy your HD/SSD very quickly!

                                          Given that 1 million doubles are 8 million bytes, I think modern processors and disk drives can handle such speed easily.

                                          its not about the speed, its about the amount of times written into the cell, Samsung for examples says their ssd's are "built to handle 150 terabytes written" with, lets say 1 million points of double (8 bytes each) per second would mean your ssd is done for in roughly 200 days, instead of the approximated 10 years.

                                          also you have to coordinate read and write access of the file, so that Matlab and your Qt Programm to not try to access the file at the same time with potential data loss etc


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