We end up talking about another issue :-)
The app is a toolbar
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each group of icons in the toolbar may relate to a diver, and there may be 1..4 groups of divers
having a floating label atop each group on tool bar made sense and seemed hard to achieve
ie
LABEL1 LABEL2
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my user did not like
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| LABEL1 LABEL2 |
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Now when toolbar size is wrong, as it is under kde only, then the whole rest of layout is messed up [4 video screens, large, normal or small, other items ie vu level]
So my options are
a) tame kde (to size correctly)
b) don't use kde
James