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Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?

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  • JoeCFDJ JoeCFD

    @JonB
    const SomeClass *const something has two meanings:

    1. can call only const funcs
    2. its address can not be changed.

    delete something; does not change its address. Instead deletes the contents something points to. Still a dangled pointer;
    something = nullptr; changes its address, not allowed.

    I guess you may try a Wrapper class

    class WrapperPointer {
    public:
        WrapperPointer(int* ptr) : ptr(ptr) {}
    
        ~WrapperPointer() {
            // does nothing
        }
    
        int* get() const { /* can be used to clear pointer as well */
            return ptr;
        }
    
    private:
        int* ptr{};
    };
    
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    @JoeCFD said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

    1. can call only const funcs

    delete does not only delete the contents something points to. It also calls the destructor of the underlying object. So, there is an inconsistency that I can call the destructor on a const object (which I never noticed in my long C++ career).

    Best advice is to not use plain owning pointers in C++. But, that would still leave you with the convention to use raw pointers as non-owning pointers with the technical possibility that someone calls delete on them. Making the delete operator private works to suppress this, but is also really intrusive to be of general use.

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      @JoeCFD said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

      1. can call only const funcs

      delete does not only delete the contents something points to. It also calls the destructor of the underlying object. So, there is an inconsistency that I can call the destructor on a const object (which I never noticed in my long C++ career).

      Best advice is to not use plain owning pointers in C++. But, that would still leave you with the convention to use raw pointers as non-owning pointers with the technical possibility that someone calls delete on them. Making the delete operator private works to suppress this, but is also really intrusive to be of general use.

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      @SimonSchroeder said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

      It also calls the destructor of the underlying object. So, there is an inconsistency that I can call the destructor on a const object (which I never noticed in my long C++ career).

      Exactly! I am "surprised" that you have never "noticed" this, as I most certainly have, and is precisely why I am so shocked it is allowed! :) I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

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        @SimonSchroeder said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

        It also calls the destructor of the underlying object. So, there is an inconsistency that I can call the destructor on a const object (which I never noticed in my long C++ career).

        Exactly! I am "surprised" that you have never "noticed" this, as I most certainly have, and is precisely why I am so shocked it is allowed! :) I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

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        @JonB said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

        I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

        Else, you would not be able to free the memory

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          @SimonSchroeder said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

          It also calls the destructor of the underlying object. So, there is an inconsistency that I can call the destructor on a const object (which I never noticed in my long C++ career).

          Exactly! I am "surprised" that you have never "noticed" this, as I most certainly have, and is precisely why I am so shocked it is allowed! :) I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

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          @JonB said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

          I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

          freeing an objects memory is very much different from changing its internal state. const only prohibits the later


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            @JonB said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

            I am finding this whole "you cannot change the object via const * but feel free to completely clobber it by deleting" very odd!

            freeing an objects memory is very much different from changing its internal state. const only prohibits the later

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            @J-Hilk said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

            freeing an objects memory is very much different from changing its internal state. const only prohibits the later

            Well it may be "different" but it is equally "destructive". And ends up "changing its internal state" as a consequence. Hence the discussion. I now get that "const only prohibits the later", and that's life, but I still find it "odd".

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              I was just thinking about this: Is it possible to overload the delete operator with a const and non-const version?

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                I was just thinking about this: Is it possible to overload the delete operator with a const and non-const version?

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                @SimonSchroeder
                So for my case that would do what, presumably runtime error? I was looking for a compile-time error on attempting to delete a const pointer (like I would get on attempting to write to a member/call a non-const member method).

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                • JonBJ JonB

                  @SimonSchroeder
                  So for my case that would do what, presumably runtime error? I was looking for a compile-time error on attempting to delete a const pointer (like I would get on attempting to write to a member/call a non-const member method).

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                  @JonB make yourself a delete macro, that calls delete and setzt the pointer to nullptr :D


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                    @JonB make yourself a delete macro, that calls delete and setzt the pointer to nullptr :D

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                    @J-Hilk My badly-behaved fellow programmers can/will call delete directly, and I want them to fall over at compile time as per trying to write into the const pointer!

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                      @SimonSchroeder
                      So for my case that would do what, presumably runtime error? I was looking for a compile-time error on attempting to delete a const pointer (like I would get on attempting to write to a member/call a non-const member method).

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                      @JonB said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

                      So for my case that would do what, presumably runtime error?

                      If you can distinguish that, you could make the const-version private and the non-const public. So, you can still normally delete objects when you are allowed to (with a pointer to non-const). But I'm not sure if this distinction is possible.

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                        @JonB said in Is it possible to prevent `delete` on a `const *`?:

                        So for my case that would do what, presumably runtime error?

                        If you can distinguish that, you could make the const-version private and the non-const public. So, you can still normally delete objects when you are allowed to (with a pointer to non-const). But I'm not sure if this distinction is possible.

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                        @SimonSchroeder said:

                        But I'm not sure if this distinction is possible

                        It's not. The delete operator can't be cv qualified.

                        Here's a fun quirk:

                        struct Foo {
                            void itIsFine() const { delete this; }
                            ~Foo() {  bar = 42; }
                            int bar = 0;
                        };
                        
                        const Foo* foo = new Foo();
                        foo->itIsFine();
                        

                        so not only can you delete an object through a pointer to const, but a const function can mutate the object without mutable or const_cast by deleting the object it is being called on;)

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