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  • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

    Would you stay on a project that is doomed to failure due to "warp drive requirments" by a customer who doesn't understand the laws of physics and insists on dictating implementation mechanisms, thus sabotaging any chance of success? or would your professional integrity cause you to look elsewhere for work? Sure their money spends as well as anyone's, but how important is personal job accomplishment/satisfaction?

    Background is that the proof of concept deliverable is achievable if the customer sticks to functional requirements and stays the hell out of dictating implementation specifics. They are the consumate "it can't be that hard" morons who wont' listen to those of us who've been doing this for 10,20,30 years.

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    @Kent-Dorfman this question is a bit more complicated than it might appear at first. IMO, the primary issue is...what were you hired for? Specifically, was there an agreement that you were entirely (or primarily) responsible for implementation, and the customer would stick to requirements?

    As far as whether to stay or not, that depends on a variety of factors. Do you have other options at present? Always put your interests first; you know the customer will put theirs first. Is the project truly "doomed to failure," or might it come to fruition with some unnecessary application of blood, sweat and tears? How important is putting this project on your resume?

    If this is too analytical, then just go with your gut. Guts are rarely wrong.

    Good luck.

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    • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

      Would you stay on a project that is doomed to failure due to "warp drive requirments" by a customer who doesn't understand the laws of physics and insists on dictating implementation mechanisms, thus sabotaging any chance of success? or would your professional integrity cause you to look elsewhere for work? Sure their money spends as well as anyone's, but how important is personal job accomplishment/satisfaction?

      Background is that the proof of concept deliverable is achievable if the customer sticks to functional requirements and stays the hell out of dictating implementation specifics. They are the consumate "it can't be that hard" morons who wont' listen to those of us who've been doing this for 10,20,30 years.

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        better late than never...finally quit this boondoggle...now I can mend my soul.

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        • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

          better late than never...finally quit this boondoggle...now I can mend my soul.

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          @Kent-Dorfman I hope it works out for you. We're in a fortunate time and space where we have some latitude when it comes to job selection. I hope your next position is everything that your last one wasn't.

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          • mzimmersM mzimmers

            @Kent-Dorfman I hope it works out for you. We're in a fortunate time and space where we have some latitude when it comes to job selection. I hope your next position is everything that your last one wasn't.

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            @mzimmers
            Thanks, man!

            Gonna play in my woodshop, throw some acrylic paint at a canvas or two, and hit the WV mountains with my camera on my motorcycle.

            Only real computer engineering stuff I may mix in is more playing with the STM32 microcontrollers I've been experimenting with for different tasks....Well, that and harrassing people on tech forums. LOL

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            • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

              @mzimmers
              Thanks, man!

              Gonna play in my woodshop, throw some acrylic paint at a canvas or two, and hit the WV mountains with my camera on my motorcycle.

              Only real computer engineering stuff I may mix in is more playing with the STM32 microcontrollers I've been experimenting with for different tasks....Well, that and harrassing people on tech forums. LOL

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              @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
              IMG_0628.JPG
              football case.jpg
              christmas.jpg

              Lots of fun...

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              • mzimmersM mzimmers

                @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
                IMG_0628.JPG
                football case.jpg
                christmas.jpg

                Lots of fun...

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                Kent-Dorfman
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                @mzimmers said in job ethics question:

                @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
                Lots of fun...

                You get it...

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                • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

                  better late than never...finally quit this boondoggle...now I can mend my soul.

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                  @Kent-Dorfman said in job ethics question:

                  better late than never...finally quit this boondoggle...now I can mend my soul.

                  Congrats, and all my best wishes!


                  Be aware of the Qt Code of Conduct, when posting : https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct


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                  Q: What does it do?
                  A: It turns blue.

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                  • mzimmersM mzimmers

                    @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
                    IMG_0628.JPG
                    football case.jpg
                    christmas.jpg

                    Lots of fun...

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                    @mzimmers
                    Wow!! How did you make that oval football out of wood??

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                    • mzimmersM mzimmers

                      @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
                      IMG_0628.JPG
                      football case.jpg
                      christmas.jpg

                      Lots of fun...

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                      @mzimmers
                      Amazing artwork, admirable!
                      Envy is the most honest compliment :-)

                      Software Engineer
                      The Qt Company, Oslo

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                      • mzimmersM mzimmers

                        @Kent-Dorfman woodworking is good for the soul. From years past:
                        IMG_0628.JPG
                        football case.jpg
                        christmas.jpg

                        Lots of fun...

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                        @mzimmers Wow! This is not 3D rendering.

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                        • JonBJ JonB

                          @mzimmers
                          Wow!! How did you make that oval football out of wood??

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                          @JonB said in job ethics question:

                          @mzimmers
                          Wow!! How did you make that oval football out of wood??

                          Well, first, you begin with a wooden pig...

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                          • Axel SpoerlA Axel Spoerl

                            @mzimmers
                            Amazing artwork, admirable!
                            Envy is the most honest compliment :-)

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                            @Axel-Spoerl thanks, Axel. For me, woodworking is a lot like programming in Qt -- lots of trial and error, and in the end you have something nice, but you're left with the feeling that you could have done something just a little better...

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                            • JoeCFDJ JoeCFD

                              @mzimmers Wow! This is not 3D rendering.

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                              @JoeCFD heh...well, a different kind of 3D rendering, perhaps. I'm glad you like it.

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                              • mzimmersM mzimmers

                                @JoeCFD heh...well, a different kind of 3D rendering, perhaps. I'm glad you like it.

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                                @mzimmers Amazing! You do not need any professional artistic helps in your GUI layout.

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