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  • B Bremenpl
    20 Oct 2016, 06:51

    Do you know how to keep the X server and window manager running while in console mode on Linux?

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    wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 06:56 last edited by
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    @Bremenpl Usually you can switch to text console from X server pressing Strg-Alt-F1 (or F2-F6). To go back to the X server you then press Alt-F7.

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      wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 06:57 last edited by
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      @Bremenpl Since you said you have installed "GUI" I hope the X is already running in the background.
      Fire this at your console:

      ps ax | grep -i "/usr/bin/X"
      

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        wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:02 last edited by
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        Output:

          872 tty7     Ssl+   0:01 /usr/bin/X :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
         1692 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/xprop -root -spy
         1722 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep -i /usr/bin/X
        
        

        Yes when I switch to text mode with ctrl alt F1 and run the app I get "aborted" in return.

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          wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:09 last edited by p3c0
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          @Bremenpl Tt says X server is using tty7 (it is by default) so you can run applications only on tty7 and not tty1 (which you did by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 and launching the app)

          Now the question is what is running at tty7 ? What does it display when you press CTRL+ALT+F7 ? Since you have disabled GUI is it blank ?

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            wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:17 last edited by Bremenpl
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            Ok now I understand. Yes on F7 there is my regular gui and on F1 pure console. My question is- How can I qun qt application being in pure console? I havent disabled anything by hand yet, I just switched context F1-F7

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              wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:22 last edited by
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              You can try to run using minimal or offscreen platform-plugin. http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qguiapplication.html#platformName-prop .

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                wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:23 last edited by
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                Hi,

                if the GUI app does not need user interaction you can try to run it with option --platform offscreen on the command line. Then the app will run without visible GUI. You will need to have the offscreen platform plugin in-place, of course.
                -Michael.

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                  wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:25 last edited by Bremenpl
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                  No, no thats not the case. I Need full GUI Widget functionality with user interaction. I Just want the whole operating system GUI background to be gone. So the user can only use the QT app when using a the PC. When PC starts there should be just command line without gui and after a while script would turn on my Qt application (thats graphical and needs user interaction).

                  I Recall in Qt embedded I had to add -qws parameter to do this, but there was no GUI at all from the system. The app itself had GUI.

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                  • B Bremenpl
                    20 Oct 2016, 07:17

                    Ok now I understand. Yes on F7 there is my regular gui and on F1 pure console. My question is- How can I qun qt application being in pure console? I havent disabled anything by hand yet, I just switched context F1-F7

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                    wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:26 last edited by p3c0
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                    Or you can just disable the fancy items loaded by the GUI and directly boot to your application by putting it into a startup script.
                    Also disable the extra unwanted tty's and keep tty7 default

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                      wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:30 last edited by Bremenpl
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                      Yes thats exacly what I need, and by disabling fancy stuff I wanted to disable whole OS gui. tty7 is default for now. So the scenario is like this:

                      1. PC starts with only console mode
                      2. Script turns on the QT GUI application in full screen mode.

                      Would this be possible: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/embedded-linux.html#linuxfb ?

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                        wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:35 last edited by p3c0
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                        @Bremenpl Usually for these kind of applications (can say kiosk mode) people start with a minimal OS and a minimal light weight window manager so that OS customizations become easier.

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                          wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:38 last edited by
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                          Thats exaclt what i mean- Kiosk mode. But my os is quite lightweight. I can make it lighter even, but the point is I dont know how to turn the app on in console mode in any OS for now :P.

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                            wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:47 last edited by p3c0
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                            @Bremenpl

                            but the point is I dont know how to turn the app on in console mode in any OS

                            As said earlier boot to default tty where X is running, launch the app in fullscreen mode through startup scripts.
                            Or you can try the linuxfb mode so that you own the framebuffer but then you get no window manager functionalities for eg. alt-tab switch or window decorations

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                              wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 07:52 last edited by
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                              So in short words, there is no way in linux to hide the whole OS GUI but still be able to run selected apps with GUI? One has to use own frame buffer?

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                                wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 08:00 last edited by p3c0
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                                @Bremenpl

                                So in short words, there is no way in linux to hide the whole OS GUI but still be able to run selected apps with GUI?

                                Yes there is. The most easiest is to use the minimal OS so customizations becomes easy. Donot install anything else but a bare minimal window manager so that the user gets a feel that only your application is running on top.

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                                  20 Oct 2016, 08:00

                                  @Bremenpl

                                  So in short words, there is no way in linux to hide the whole OS GUI but still be able to run selected apps with GUI?

                                  Yes there is. The most easiest is to use the minimal OS so customizations becomes easy. Donot install anything else but a bare minimal window manager so that the user gets a feel that only your application is running on top.

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                                  wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 08:05 last edited by
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                                  @p3c0 So lets say I install Debian without any GUI and then I just install lightDM or OpenBox?

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                                    wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 08:07 last edited by
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                                    @Bremenpl Right. Or Fluxbox.

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                                      wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 08:11 last edited by
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                                      Ill try to do this the way you described. Thank you very much.

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                                        wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 08:40 last edited by
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                                        @Bremenpl Good Luck :)

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                                          wrote on 20 Oct 2016, 21:51 last edited by
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                                          Hi,

                                          Depending on your needs, wayland and the QtWayland module might also be an option.

                                          Another possible option might be KDE's kiosk mode.

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                                          Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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